The golden horde
The golden horde theory has been portrayed for years by survival authors, bloggers and fiction writers, but will the golden horde of hopeless refugees swarm like hundreds of thousands of locust from the cities to the countryside after an economic collapse?
No they won’t, not after an economic collapse anyways, in fact, I look for the opposite to happen, with hordes of people packing it up and leaving rural areas for the cities to look for work (when things settle down and after the initial riots that will occur in some areas). Recent examples of this happening after an economic collapse; include present day Greece, Argentina 1998–2002, the former USSR in the 1990s, New Zealand in the 1980’s and the U.S. Great Depression of the 1930’s.
In all the examples given above none saw a huge influx of refugees fleeing the cities to the country, but the opposite reaction with people leaving the rural areas for the cities in hopes of finding work. You can’t believe everything some self-proclaimed survival expert told you in his fiction novel, look at history as an example instead. History offers much more realistic examples of how events will unfold in the real world than do the fantasies of some delusional fiction author.
In fact, I don’t see the “golden horde” heading toward the countryside at all unless the disaster is localized to the urban area that they are fleeing from such as after Katrina. Most of the supposed “hordes” will die (or be killed) in place waiting on the government to come in and rescue them before they would head out for the countryside.
Yes; there will be some people who will leave the cities to try farming in the rural areas (there will also be people leaving the rural areas for the city in hopes of finding work), but after such an event the cities will not empty into the countryside as you’ve been told…
In the long-term after an economic collapse, there will be roving gangs of armed survivors from the cities that will make trips into the surrounding countryside to raid homes, farms and other sources for supplies but it will not be the “horde” of hundreds of thousands that is foreseen by many in the survival / prepper community… Those most at risk of attack by these types of “raiders” will be those living within 50 miles of major population areas – but the further you are away from those areas the lower your risk will be…
There is also a good possibility that the federal government will take resources from rural areas (food for example) and redistribute those resources to urban areas after an economic collapse (a new form of welfare?) so why would they want to come and take it when the federal government will do it for them?I do know that any and all government resources will be put toward helping urban areas after such an event. As I’ve said before an economic collapse does not mean a government collapse – those in power will only tighten the screws and take from you to redistribute to the cities…
WROL
Without the rule of law – this is another one of those events, like the golden horde theory, that survival writers have promoted for years, but does it have merit in the real world? Well the answer is yes and no… let me explain. After a major disaster there very well maybe a period of time without the rule of law, but unlike what has been portrayed, in the pages of countless survival fiction books and movies, it will in all likelihood be a short-term and localized event.
You see most people want law and order and will work together to achieve that end. Crime will no doubt increase after an economic collapse (and most other disasters), with home invasions, robbery, murder, kidnapping and rape being all too common, but such offenses will still be against the law, both legally and morally, and people will demand that the perpetrators be apprehended and justice served, even if that justice is via the rule and judgment of a local warlord or governor and a public stoning in the street.
Shoot first
This ties in with concept of WROL “without the rule of law” mentioned above and is where the majority of preppers seem to be confused (and trigger happy). We’ve all heard, read and contemplated it but is the shoot-first-crowd being realistic or simply feeding their Rambo fantasies with visions of using uncontrolled, and unaccounted-for deadly force on their neighbors or anyone else that comes within one thousand yards of their retreat after the balloon goes up…
Listen; in all but the most extreme circumstances of total and long-term collapse and anarchy (example = full blown civil war), the laws, and punishment for the unjustifiable taking of a human life will still apply, and will be enforced, even if that punishment is your public execution in the street. You will not be able to kill your neighbor because he looked at your wife with lust in his eyes, or trespassed on your property without there being repercussions brought against you.
My advice is to study up on the laws regarding self-defense in your state and to also have nonlethal means of protecting yourself, such as defensive spray, extendable baton, tazer, bean bag rounds etc…
It’s also a good idea to be friends with your local Sheriff and as many of his deputies as possible –remember they write the reports (just hope that it was not one of their family or friends that you shot). A good shovel also might be a good idea, you know, just in case that you let things get out of hand…
Those that use unjustifiable lethal force against another person will be held accountable if caught, no matter how bad the economy gets or how deep and far reaching the crash. To think otherwise is a sure way of ending up in jail or worse.
Bugging out to the woods
If you’ve read my article “Bugging out vs. Hunkering down” then you already know, that I’m not a big fan of the “bugging out” theory in general and planning to bug out to the woods to hide and wait out a disaster is suicidal for most. Come on let’s be realistic, could you live in the woods with no outside support for four to six years? Would you be safer roaming the backwoods than if you stayed home where you are stocked up and can blend in with everyone else?
Planning to leave the familiarity and security of your home to “bug out” to the woods isn’t very smart –In nearly every instance it’s better to hunker down or “bug in” than to bug out. I mean, why leave the safety and familiar surroundings of your home, for the open and unforgiving wilderness.
You need to weigh the risks of bugging out vs. hunkering down and make your final decision based on logic and type of threats that you face. That’s the way decisions should be made, unfortunately, many people when making plans for survival side with emotion instead of the tried and true form of decisionmaking known as logic.
Relying on emotion instead of logic can make for some interesting adventures; however without sound planning beforehand those adventures are likely to be sort lived. For example, I recently asked a fellow in his late 30’s what he would do if disaster struck his area.
He thought for a moment and said he would gather his family and all the food, guns and ammunition he could find and head for the mountains that lay some seventy-five miles to the north of his home.
Depending on the type of disaster, his “plan” might work short-term for a lone survivor or a small group of trained individuals in good physical condition with proper gear and mind-set. But he is a new father and his wife is one of those that think missing an appointment at the nail-salon is the end of the world as she knows it.
Making matters worse he has no outdoor survival training or skills other than watching reruns of Less Stroud’s “Survivorman” and camping at a national park campground with all the utilities and hookups. Why he thinks he can survive long-term off the wilderness while dragging his family along, I don’t know. He isn’t thinking logically.
Being “squared away” in the wilderness
Some survival writers suggest relocating as far away from other people as possible – this is what I call the “cabin in the woods” survival philosophy. Living in the backwoods is great, now, but in the aftermath of a long-term disaster or economic collapse, those “squared away” in the wilderness will become targets.
And guess what… you’ll be on your own. No one will come to your rescue – if the looters manage to take control of your isolated cabin in the woods, they can stay for as long as they want and do whatever they want to you and your family, and no one will hear your screams for help.
Robbers, thieves, rapists and murders will seek out isolated retreats, because of their isolation, I know this goes against what some other self-appointed “survival guru” has repeatedly told his readers, but recent history and common sense prove that I’m right. Armed and organized home invasions will be a constant threat for isolated families.
One lone gunman could easily, take out an isolated family from a distance or even selectively pick off all of the male inhabitants while saving the females for his own pleasure.I’ve lived in an isolated area where my closest neighbors were well over a mile away, and the peace and quiet are great, I loved the isolation, but even then, I constantly worried about thieves breaking in and stealing my stuff, every time that I left the house to go to town or visit my family. And this was during good times – now imagine how quickly things would deteriorate in the aftermath of an economic collapse or other major disaster..
So what do I suggest that you do…
I suggest that you find a small town or community and move there if possible, get to know your neighbors and become part of the community. If possible purchase, from five to ten acres of property and set up a mini-farm / homestead (avoid going into debt if possible). This will give you the best of both worlds; you can have privacy, and still be self-reliant on your own land while still being close enough neighbors to avoid becoming an easy target and you can get help if you need it.
My neighbors are far enough away and through the trees that I have plenty of privacy, but they are still close enough that we can help each other if needed. MURS radios are great for this – if each neighbor has one (you can provide them if needed) you can work out an agreement to keep the radios turned on and monitored and to quickly come to the aid of your neighbor should they need for help.
Well there you have it… the five most common piles of prepper BS. What do you think?
Your wrol section isn’t accurate from the conversations I’ve had with active duty officers. They tell me that when SHTF happens they will takeoff their uniforms and blend in with society.
Yeah, people say lots of stuff but usually their actions are different.
Very good point and just my thoughts they will take off uniform but some might be a officer in heart and some will act accordingly.
Excellent advice, MD. I would only leave our home if there was nothing else we could do:/ Most normal folk should plan to just fortify their homes.
Yep, what a great article. And courageous too; shooting peoples sacred cows tends to make folks upset. He forgot to list the ‘die off’, as one of the prepper articles of faith. This is where we lock the gate, lock the doors, pull the curtains, and wait a couple of years, living on our preps, then come out after nearly everyone else has quietly laid down and died of starvation. Then we pull out our textbooks and start civilization afresh, peacefully minding our own business, ruling our own domain, and living the good life.
Preppers in general, play the percentages, akin to playing rounds of blackjack, in Vegas.
Although your breakdown of the logical vs the stupid is practical to the purpose of brute survival, most won’t survive.
America is saturated with the neccessary implements, to literally alter the course of history, yet the will to do so among the awake and aware Americans, is ridiculously scarce.
Why endure years of hell on earth at the behest of a gaggle of wrinkled old demons, when we do not have to?
For this reason alone, I have little regard for preppers.
The ones whom can boast of hundreds of thousands of subscribers/followers to reason with toward achieving true freedom, fail to use their position appropriately, as it matters…
Why is that?
Incidentally, there are no prophecies or seerage alluding to a fourth world war; this is it.
Does that not compel any among you to dare the wicked entrenched in our America, to demonstrate that we are in fact endowed with a free will, sovereignty and a duty to do what is right, no matter the cost? Or go the prepper route and surely act as the generation who handed over freedom to the enemy for all time, ‘ til Kingdom come.
Yeshua was right.
The men of America are become as women.
Great article
Great article! You make me feel wise. I appreciate your help on this journey, your content has helped me get where I’m at. I only have a little over an acre, but I’m between 2 rivers, 6 hours from the either of the 2 major cities in my state. In a small town of about 80 people, but neither road going into town goes by my house. My property is within eyesite of where the cops park. I see a bug out bag as being necessary in an emergency situation when you are away from home, should there be an emp, cyber attack or natural disaster. I think of it as a get home bag
What I think is that your message is right on target. My 70 year old husband is one of the few backwoods men left. Even he wont bug out of our rural home except for 1 thing. Brush fire. No more woods for us. We will be fine rural with our like minded meighbors.
You have to be one of the few people who have called BS on wrol and all that. Very refreshing to see that MD. Thank you.
Very good points with so much solid information–WOW. Murs radios or ham is great but will need way to charge them and many don’t have solar
Dearest MDC,
You have made excellent points. Of course, there are more ideas to conjecture but you have covered the basics and dispelled some major
myths. Thank you very much. You are a mainstay of common sense.
Regards,
Suzanna
“If possible purchase, from five to ten acres of property and set up a mini-farm / homestead (avoid going into debt if possible).”
I don’t know where you live, but there’s not a chance in hell of me ever being able to afford that much land anywhere even remotely close to where I live. Kinda falls apart for me right there.
Thank you MD for the sound advice you give freely from yr own life’s knowledge and experience, it’s very much appreciated and needed. I am more than in the mindset of finding a tiny hamlet or town to move to, buying a tiny acreage, settling in and growing my own food, as is instructed in the Bible for these ‘end times’. No doubt about it, we’re seeing the last gasps of a dying world, and it’s only looking to get WORSE, never better. Take care everyone, hold yr family close, yr Bible even closer. God bless 🙌 🙏
Thank you MD for the sound advice you give freely from yr own life’s knowledge and experience, it’s very much appreciated and needed, especially in these ‘end times’. I pray y’all hold yr family close, yr Bible even closer, Amen. Take care and God bless 🙌 🙏
I believe this is a very well reasoned article. Most people do not even know what prepping really is. I think many people have fear associated with the future and merchants feed on that fear (like big pharma or magic weight loss programs). The truth requires far more intentional decision making and preparation. Making a true commitment is far too difficult.
I consider myself a prepper. I moved from Boston to just outside of Knoxville. We bought a home and a 7 acre homestead near the Smokies. We are growing our own food and raising animals. We have also developed a strong local community of likeminded people often with different skill sets. We have built options to go to the woods if necessary but in a larger community, not solo. In the meantime, we are building peer to peer businesses. Finally, we are all in peak physical condition with favorable diets.
Many people say they will living in the woods but have never eaten a deer, moose, snake or fresh fish. All my kids can fish and hunt. They are also learning to forage.
In addition to this, we have two years of perishable food, water, coffee, honey, medicine as well as being well armed in lethal/non-lethal weapons.
I have many of the same thoughts when I read “Prepper Porn”. I’m the Bug-in first & Bug-out last resort type. I live in pretty decent area in Florida. I have my chickens, my garden, my stocked pond, well-stocked Doom Room and “defensive equipment”. Most people won’t come near my area. Behind my house is a swamp so I know nobody’s coming from that direction. To find my house you need to know where it’s at or just dumb luck.
Glad to have found you again M.D. I like your articles and like this one they are well thought out. I don’t always agree with your opinions, ( mostly about guns ) but i feel that is a personal preference. Any how keep up the good work and keep those articles coming.
Johnny