The concept of the pretribulation rapture has become increasingly popular among Christians, with many believing that they will be taken up to heaven before a period of great suffering and tribulation begins on Earth. However, this idea is not only unsupported by Scripture but may also be a dangerous deception designed to lull believers into a false sense of security. In this article, we will explore the biblical evidence against the pretribulation rapture and discuss the potential consequences of this false doctrine.
The Origins of the Pretribulation Rapture Theory
The pretribulation rapture theory is a relatively recent development in Christian theology, with its roots in the 19th century. John Nelson Darby, a British evangelist and influential figure in the Plymouth Brethren movement, is often credited with popularizing this idea. Darby’s teachings, along with the widespread distribution of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 20th century, helped to promote the pretribulation rapture theory among Christians in the United States and beyond.
Biblical Evidence Against the Pretribulation Rapture
Although proponents of the pretribulation rapture theory claim that their beliefs are rooted in Scripture, a closer examination of the Bible reveals that there is no clear evidence to support this idea. In fact, several passages suggest that believers will face tribulation and difficulties before being gathered to Christ. Some of these passages include:
- Matthew 24:29-31: In this passage, Jesus speaks of the events that will take place “immediately after the tribulation of those days,” including the darkening of the sun and moon, the falling of stars, and the gathering of the elect by angels. This indicates that believers will be present during the tribulation and will not be taken up to heaven beforehand.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4: Here, the Apostle Paul warns the Thessalonians not to be deceived into thinking that the day of the Lord has already come. He explains that the day will not come until there is a falling away and the “man of sin” (the Antichrist) is revealed. This suggests that Christians will be present on Earth during the rise of the Antichrist and the unfolding of the tribulation.
- Revelation 7:9-14: In this passage, the Apostle John describes a vision of a great multitude from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing before the throne of God and the Lamb. These individuals are identified as those who have “come out of the great tribulation” and have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb. This implies that believers will experience tribulation before being gathered to Christ.
The Danger of the Pretribulation Rapture Deception
If the pretribulation rapture is indeed a false doctrine, it is not merely an innocuous error in theological interpretation. Rather, it could have significant and dangerous consequences for the faith and preparedness of believers. By promoting the idea that Christians will be spared from the trials and tribulations that the Bible predicts, the pretribulation rapture theory may lull believers into a false sense of security.
This false sense of security could have several negative effects:
1. Lack of Spiritual Preparedness: If Christians believe that they will be taken up to heaven before the tribulation, they may not feel the need to develop the spiritual fortitude necessary to endure trials and persecution. As a result, when faced with adversity, they may be more likely to falter in their faith and possibly turn away from God.
2. Lack of Practical Preparedness: Believing in a pretribulation rapture may lead Christians to neglect the practical preparations that could help them and their communities endure the difficult times predicted in Scripture. Without adequate preparation, believers may struggle to provide for their families and communities in times of crisis, which could result in increased suffering and disillusionment.
3. Weakening of Christian Witness: If Christians are unprepared for tribulation and persecution, their ability to stand firm in their faith and bear witness to the hope of the gospel may be compromised. This could hinder the spread of the gospel message and weaken the Church’s influence in a world desperately in need of hope and truth.
4. Vulnerability to Deception: A false sense of security regarding the pretribulation rapture could make Christians more susceptible to deception by the Antichrist and other false prophets. Believers who are unprepared for tribulation may be more easily swayed by false promises of peace, safety, and prosperity, potentially leading them away from the truth of the gospel.
While there may not be specific verses in the King James Version (KJV) Bible that explicitly deny a pretribulation rapture, there are verses that can be interpreted as evidence against it or that suggest an alternative view. Here are a few examples:
- Matthew 24:29-31: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
In this passage, Jesus describes His return as happening “immediately after the tribulation,” which could be understood as implying a post-tribulation gathering of the elect.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4: “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”
In this passage, Paul warns the Thessalonians not to be deceived about the coming of the Lord and their gathering to Him. He emphasizes that certain events, including the revealing of the Antichrist, must occur before the day of the Lord comes. This could be interpreted as suggesting that believers will be present during at least some portion of the tribulation.
- Revelation 20:4: “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
This verse describes believers who have been martyred during the tribulation for their faith in Jesus and their refusal to worship the Antichrist. If a pretribulation rapture had occurred, it might be expected that all true believers would have already been removed from the earth before the tribulation.
It’s essential to keep in mind that these verses, like the ones mentioned in the article, can be interpreted differently depending on one’s theological perspective. The debate surrounding the timing of the rapture is complex, and sincere believers can hold differing views on this issue.
Conclusion
The pretribulation rapture theory is not only unsupported by Scripture, but it also has the potential to undermine the faith and preparedness of believers in the face of the tribulation and persecution that the Bible predicts. Rather than embracing this false doctrine, Christians should focus on cultivating spiritual resilience, practical preparedness, and a strong witness for the gospel in the midst of adversity.
By remaining grounded in the truth of Scripture and drawing strength from the Holy Spirit, believers can stand firm in their faith, even in the face of tribulation. Ultimately, this steadfast faith will serve as a powerful testimony to the world and a beacon of hope in dark times, as we eagerly await the glorious return of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
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I wanna meet the jackass who came up with that pretribulation fraud.
John Nelson Darby
Hi.. I have been living extremely difficult times here in USA.. nobody can’t Imagine how the magnitude. Iam legally living here in USA since 2006. The Lord brought me here fir for his purpose. But nobody know exactly what could happen. Iam between and iam prepared with food, water, a little assets, trying hard, working hard in my suffering and anguish. Hoping for that glorious day. Hoping that the Lord would take out his bride from this evil world. Iam living my days in praying, reading my bible and..
Always keep the faith. A return to God is all that can save this country.
I profoundly agree with you. Once again as it has happened throughout history nations that turn their back on God are rewarded with evil leaders.
M.D. You’re absolutely correct. The concept of pretribulation is an innovation that is no more than 130 to 140 years old. This is neither Scriptural or traditional in origin. Like so many other innovations it is increasingly believed in as the religious world descends into chaos like the social, political and economics of the world.
Dave McPherson has a couple of books (The Incredible Cover-UP & The Rapture Plot) that goes into great detail about the origin of the rapture theory. Key players were Margaret MacDonald, Irving, & Darby beginning in the 1830’s.
Very good post i believed in pre trib an later mid trib but reading all the scriptures slowly i have to follow scripture. The people who think the pre-trib rapture will not be ready when the food an housing is cut off. What do they do with Matt. 24 the whole chapter? It is a great deception.
MD my brother, love your work. I believe you are wrong on this though. Read I Cor.15:51-52 and I Thes.4:13-18 for a start of support for a pre tribulation snatching away of God’s then living children. Scripture does not say we will not have troubles and tribulations, especially from man, but it does say in the above, that we were not made for God’s wrath. His past work, especially with Noah and with Lot, give us very clear and good examples on how He pulls His children out before He brings the hammer down. One cannot be dogmatic about whichever theory a believer comes down on, but we should not allow such a topic to be divisive to the body of Christ.
Press on in His love and work my brother…
Very good point. I feel that to have preps for loved ones and self is the greatest love one can show. Some say pre trib an some say mid trib and some say we will go into the trib. What Dr. Stan Moneith who had Radio Liberty he likes the pan theory=== it will all pan out in the end. No one knows how much or even how long any period will last. Things are getting worse by the week. So to be ready for hard times an if the Lord calls you home or rapture and have food an medical herbs just might help out someone. The bible would be nice and some scriptures in buckets might be a source of hope and salvation in the future.
Do you see how it says it those verses “at the last trump” in I Corinthians !5:51-52, and even I Thessalonians 4:14-18, it talks about the trumpet. The last trump is the seventh one in Revelations, which is when the Lord returns and sets the world right. So I see no other possibility. It must be we go through the seven years of tribulation. I must say, the idea provokes anxiety in me. I counter the anxiety with faith and love bestowed on me by God. I think my faith actually is stronger because of my dependence on God for the coming times.
Actually, the last trump is the final blast of the trumpet at the Jewish Feast of Trumpets in the fall. That’s why many believers believe the rapture will happen on the Feast of Trumpets. From my understanding of Scripture and the character of my Father, I believe in a pre-trib rapture. That doesn’t mean I don’t prepare. I think things are going to get pretty dicey from here on out. What I don’t use will be available for friends and neighbors.
You are spot on Rock!
There is a huge difference between God’s wrath and the persecution that comes from other people. There is evidence that believers suffer terrible things at the hands of man, and that will happen again. But like you said there is clear evidence from Noah and Lot that God does not pour out His wrath on the believers. I do think hard times like we have never been through in the history of America are coming, and it may happen soon, but that is different than God’s wrath.
I don’t know..I kind of think being rewarded with evil leaders is God’s wrath
Amen Brother I agree with you 💯%..Scripture does support a Snatching away of God’s people..which we call the Rapture! I always say this to people..if you know Jesus and believe upon him that he died for you and your sins on that cross and Rose again on the 3rd day and ascended into heaven where he sits at the right hand of the Father until he gives the word to Go get Your Bride..knowing him is all that matters..you will be going up anyway whether you believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture or not and you will be glad you did! 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4-v 13-18..Chapter 5- v 1-11
God’s people are not appointed to Wrath..verse 9 of Chapter 5..God Bless Everyone..See you in the Clouds! 🙏✝️🕊💖🎺✈
We are marked with the seal of God and discernment is a manifestation of the holy spirit and will guide us and direct us. God’s wrath will not harm us. However our faith will protect us and we have no reason to fear evil no matter how dark the world becomes and it is not meant for things to be easy for us..tribulation is scart and it will be horrible but then again the good lord will never challenge us more than we can handle and many are lost without him. We will grow stronger spiritually and our faith in our creator will go stronger. Every morning that I wake up and the power is still on and the water still comes out of the faucet I thank him. Humble gratitude for his divine love..things are going to get much worse before the rapture and we must stay strong in our faith
Tribulation and God’s wrath are two separate things. Pretribulation is a lie of the devil.
I agree on not letting this divide us, and am grateful for all who are on the side of Life, Truth and Freedom. I do not label myself a Christian, by the way, but my hope is in Jesus, the liberator and healer of the world.
I grew up with the pretribulation rapture teaching and thought I was seeped in the Bible. However, I reread it intensively 3 times with an open mind, taking notes and summarizing what I was reading, allowing myself to even see it as all nonsense, good, bad, or a mix… and it’s just not there. (Though that was a side issue, as this 4-month exercise gave a new, extremely expansive view of the self-giving of the Father of Jesus, and the astonishingly wonderful outcomes we can expect from that.) Would you mind as we look at the texts you cite:
I Cor.15:51-52: Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
I Thes.4:13-18: But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
I see no indication in these verses to say that this big event will happen before the last few years of this world system. And if (big if) we tie the “last trump” (last trumpet sound) in 1 Corinthians to the last trumpet in Revelation, that suggests the opposite.
In fact, the 1 Corinthians passage includes the absolute final events as the universe is about to be transformed into the New Creation: Jesus puts down/destroys ALL authority, ALL rule (hierarchy), all power (coercion), and last of all the enemy death…
and then…
God becomes ALL
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God is LOVE, God is LIGHT, and Jesus shows him as HEALING and LIBERATION.
So love, light, healing and liberation will be delivered to the entire creation.
And that’s a lot more important than arguing about details of timelines.
For me what works is to be ready all the time as best I can be. That way whenever He returns I’ll be ready.
You got that right, Michael. There is nothing in the Bible about a rapture. “One will be taken, one will be left” is about something else entirely. You have to read the whole chapter, not cherry pick a line or two to support a theory or point.
I have always known this pre rapture teaching to be untrue. Thank you for breaking it down with scripture. Blessings to you brother from way down south west Louisiana.
Tamara,
You’re very welcome.
3 possibilities pre mid and post rapture has been the debate im in the mindset of a pretrib rapture the reason being Christ comes for his bride would the bride let his wife be raped and harmed before their wedding? Not if he could help it it also brings me to that parable of the 10 women that were going to the masters feist 5 trimmed their lamps and 5 didnt and the 5 that trimmed their lamps went inside the 5 that didnt were left in the cold
Either way I have no say in the matter in witch Christ will come I can only be ready and keep watchful for the signs and times that he spoke of before he ascended into heaven yes me might have to suffer then again we might not its all faith.
sounds like straight talk to me
I respect all views but i actually came to pretrib rapture from a prior interest in the UFO phenomenon and i have been convinced that the Great Deception is not the Rapture but the “Aliens” coming to take us away. Its the obvious explanation for millions of Christians disappearing in the blink of an eye. Even the alien abductees tell us the “aliens” talk about removing Christians due to their inability to “ascend” to a higher evolutionary plane. As a popular YouTube preacher says, “we go up, they show up”. So i disagree about pre trib but i am still prepping. “Hope for the best prepare for worst”
Nailed it M.D. Prayers for all in the many bad things that are already here and the even worse ones on the way. Turn to Christ if you haven’t. Hugs M.D. 🙏 💘
Thank you. Appreciated. You still snowed in?
No more snow here anymore. we were in the 80’s last week. Nice! So warm I actually dusted my swimsuit off and got some sun on my day off. Yes, I know I shouldn’t be laying out in the sun. I just enjoy it so. I use sunscreen. Have a good evening.
Strangely enough I started a new Bible study last Monday. It’s called “Not afraid of the antichrist. Why we don’t believe in a pre-tribulation rapture.” by Michael Brown and Craig Keener.
I’m just getting into the first part but it reads much like your post. If folks study this with an open mind and heart, they will be blessed by it.
For a long time I have tried to show this evidence to those who believe they are following the doctrine of Christ and not the teachings of demons. Excellent article MD!
I leave a video that should help to understand what is the
“church rapture” scam:
https://youtu.be/k-LSAUOsOIY
That is a false statement you Need to read about the Church Fathers of 2 and 3 Centuries.
Replying with respect for your article (and your work in general). Please keep in mind that scripture teaches that we believers are the Body of Christ and His Bride. During the 7 years of Tribulation, while God is pouring out his wrath on earth, we ( the Bride of Christ) will be participating in the Marriage Supper of the Lamb ( Rev 19:7-9) in his presence. Remember 1 Thessalonians 5:9 “ For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ”. Notice also II Thessalonians 2:7,8. “He who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way”. This is speaking of Holy Spirit who resides in Christ’s true Church, ie all believers. The Antichrist will not be revealed until Holy Spirit ( and thus all believers )are removed ( “taken out of the way” (vs 8)) Food for thought, right?
I believe you are conflating the rapture and the second coming in your examples of scripture in the beginning of your message. Also the elect and the saints mentioned in those verses are those saved during the tribulation and those who are martyrs during that time while the church – the bride of Christ- has been in heaven during these dark days. Big thing to remember is you don’t treat your bride badly like she would be treated if she was left here on earth during the tribulation. Yes it does say we will have trials and tribulations here on earth but that does not mean THE tribulation. I complement you for taking on this difficult issue and it is not one to divide us that’s for sure. My goal is I prepare as if I’m going to be here but my hope is in understanding that I’m not. Being deceived can make us lazy. I don’t believe this is being deceived by believing that we are not going to be here. There’s a whole lot of sound scripture that proves otherwise. I am not an apologist and honestly don’t have time to prove it to you, but I suggest you follow Jan Markell, Pastor Billy Crown, and Pastor Brandon holthaus you are wonderful and presenting this far better than I ever could. After three intensive studies in the book of revelation I stand firm that the church Will be captured before the antichrist
100% correct, MD.
But, even this too (not by of from you, MD) is a distraction that the Global Elites use on followers of Yeshua world-wide. That’s their game, you know? Distraction, misinformation, misdirection, obfuscation and gaslighting. All to DIVIDE We the People in every way possible-to weaken us so we never unite to fight the Adversary and his Useful Idiot Marxist Alinskyites (American/European Deep States).
Our Dollar, our economy our nation is collapsing right now, but we are too distracted by BS, as well as being dumbed down and drugged up for 30 years to arise and fight to defend ourselves, our families and our nation.
I remember reading in James Wesley Rawles novel, Patriots about the economic collapse and the ruin brought to America.
But what if you held a Dollar, economic & National collapse…and nobody came?
LOL! We’re witnessing it RIGHT NOW! LMAO!
Pray for the Lords clarity-eyes that see and ears that hear, for you and your family. For good health and safety through the Adversary’s tumult and violence. Pray that be our Father’s Will…to HIS Glory!
Wedge
Ur wrong,there is a rapture,before the tribulation, an soon. Those saints u read about,in heaven are the tribulation saints that die. The church is no longer here on earth after the third chapter of revelation. U REALLY WANT TO KNOW IN DETAIL,WATCH PASTOR JD FARAG. ORG. AN UR MISLEADING PEOPLE THE WRONG WAY. Don’t pick verses willy nelly ,U have to know the Bible, an none of u seem to know the Bible. God Bless.
Lee,
No I’m not wrong and I don’t have a need to “learn” by listing to JD Farag and his opinion, I’d much rather get my information from the Bible directly instead of being told someone else’s opinion .
Matthew 24:29-31: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
This passage describes the gathering of the elect “immediately after the tribulation,” which suggests a post-tribulation rapture.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4: “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”
In this passage, Paul states that the day of Christ’s return and the gathering of believers will not occur until the Antichrist is revealed, which proves believers will be present during the tribulation.
Amen and amen. Keep standing and proclaiming truth if one person has their eyes opened that’s worth it
One must understand the context of the writing to discern the intent God desires for us to have. This may help some https://www.blueletterbible.org/comm/guzik_david/study-guide/2-thessalonians/2-thessalonians-2.cfm?a=1118001
I have read the Bible for more than 20 years. “Rapture” refers to a Greek word that means to gather to yourself as a man gathers his children into his arms. The rapture takes place in the AIR before the mighty hand of God smites the earth. Then Jesus returns to EARTH at the END of the tribulations to separate the sheep from the goats ( which the dead rise from the grave and are JUDGED first). Jesus told us nine times in Revelations to FEAR NOT. Those who found Christ DURING the tribulations are highly regarded and esteemed for NOT caving into to Satan’s demands. There will be millions of them. Make no mistake..in the twinkling of an eye one will be taken and another will not. Read Psalm 91 slowly and let it calm you. There are MANY chapters that speak of The End Times in detail like Isaiah and Ezekiel. Read them for yourselves.
I don’t care if you’ve read the bible for 40 years the scripture does not support a pre-tribulation rapture.
The word “Rapture” does not appear in the new or old testaments of the Bible at all. NOT ONCE!
Like some have clearly pointed out here, you have to read the whole scripture chapter. Cherry picking scriptural reading and taking them out of context is easy to do.
So, some guy in the 19th century figured out something that theologians have missed or ignored for the previous 1900 years of studying the Bible, hmm! Think not.
There is only one church that can trace its roots back to Jesus and his establishment of his church on earth through Peter, and it was not founded in the 15th or 19th Centuries or in the last 50 years in Idaho.
We will be here through the tribulation…just like God’s people were protected through the plagues. Daniel was saved through the lion’s den. 3 boys were saved through the furnace. God will protect his faithful through the great tribulation.
That’s right 👍
I have always thought that if there was a Pretribulation Rapture that the Bible would be very clear about it happening. There would not be any question if it was real or not. I think it is just another tool to deceive people into believing the Tribulation is not happening. Good article.
You are right MD. Too many people rest on their laurels in the belief that their past piety will save them for the next world. Every day is a challenge to remain in the graces of God and his son Jesus. I will not become overconfident that I am worthy of immediate ascension to heaven by my past acts and strive every day to become worthy. This includes preparing for whatever this world will throw at me.
And this is precisely why Christ is your SAVIOR. NO ONE can “ make themselves good enough”.
Ps I’m prepared, have been for 20 years,an continue to prepare just as many did in the bible,like Joseph,etc. I’m a prepper for me an mine,I grow food I hunt,I have an emergency place to go to well hidden,off grid, We hike ,camp have herbals , food u name it ihave it,antibodies, all kinds of medical preparations etc. But I truly belive all the things I have grathered,will be used for those that can’t buy or sale,of which those that are left behind, will at least have a changes to survive, for a while.An I’m a christian,who will tell u that we are the
Bride to Christ an if u knew any thing about the Bible an jews u would know this an know that we DONT GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION,PERIOD,AN ANY ONE THAT WANTS TO STAY HERE DURING THE TRIBULATION, ARE NUTS. CHRIST SAID HE WOULD COME FOR HIS BRIDE THE CHURCH,CHRISTIANS,THAT WATCH FOR HIM. WATCH JD FARAG.ORG ON REVALUATION. GOD BLESS.
I don’t know why people believe in the Rapture when it plainly states in Matthew that he returns to gather his people both living and dead after the Tribulation and not before!!!!
Dear Chris,
I appreciate your thoughtful comment and engagement with the article. As you astutely pointed out, the passage in Matthew 24:29-31 plainly states that he returns to gather his people both living and dead after the Tribulation and not before!!!!
I think many hold onto a belief in a pre-tribulation rapture as it provides a sense of comfort and protection from hardships.
Thank you once again for sharing your insights on this important topic.
I believe that the false rapture theory is a security blanket that will cause many to be deceived when Satan shows up (first tribulation) pretending to be Christ. Many will worship him and not be a fit bride when Christ returns (2nd tribulation) at the last (7th) trump when all are changed into their spiritual bodies. Christ is not angry at those that stay true. They have nothing to fear when His wrath is poured out on the unfaithful.
We escape the WRATH of God not the tribulation. They are 2 different words. Another deception by the church
I appreciate you md and am thankful for your insights! As I study the Bible I try to be open to what scripture teaches. I’ve studied the debate both sides. Very godly pastors that I admire, hold opposing views. I just try to look at scripture over anything else as i know you do as well. The verse I base pre tribe on from my many years of reading is revelation 3;10. Christ adresses the Philadelphia church the faithful church and in verse 10 he promises that church…. 3;10) Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. I believe scripture teaches the faithful church will be spared. What else could that mean
the tribe is about to start. He commends them and says because you kept ill keep you from, but I am prepared and if wrong will have to endure a few years longer. The Bible tells us he who endures to the end will be saved. So if my study of scripture is wrong I’ll have to hold on to the hope that is in christ coming to reign and I’ll huge you in the end and worship our Lord together With you. Love and respect you very much brother! Hope I’m not coming off I know better just always trying to learn more.
I 100% believe that there will be no pre trib exit before suffering. To me it seems people like to think they have nothing to worry about because they think they are saved. That’s why also I see a lot of unprepared Christians and when you try to start conversations with church leaders they don’t want to hear about it. A lot of Christian’s will be deceived and will run with open arms to the bosom of the antichrist..
I’ve recently come to the conclusion that we will likely endure the tribulation. Pretty much, only American and a few Europeans believe we will not be here for that time. Essentially on ly christians who have not as yet experienced persecution. The wrath we are not destined for is the final judgement. If the dead in christ rise first, that’s a resurrection. The bible says the first resurrection occurs in Revelation 20. Noah and Lot were not raptured, but rather God was with the through the judgement. As to whether we might be allowed to suffer, read the book of Job.
Thanks MD. I had always been taught rapture before tribulation. Lately I have delved into the Word and found that to be incorrect. The issue with Christians is we sometimes pay lip service to one doctrine while practicing another. My recommendations is for all Christians to just be prepared. Stay strong in the Word and live a Christian life.
The pre- tribulation rapture lie will set many people up to accept the MOTB,because they believe they should already be out of here before it happens.They are already calling it a precursor.We all should know what “it” is.
Amen, M.D.! Sam and I do not believe in the Rapture. We have studied the Bible to try to find it in our youth and now where are we going to be raptured. Tribulation is to come. My father told me before he passed I would see the tribulation. I was 12 years old. He was so convicted and talked to me a great deal. It was ironic that my mother, the devout one asked him to back off discussing the matter. I never forgot that.
I feel that my life experiences were meant for a time as this. All the good, bad, surviving in life are for this time.
I thank God for my husband each day. He feels the same as I do. We are in retirement age and life has not always been easy. Like you we know what it is to make do with what you have.
God Bless You
I’m so glad to see more and more people teaching on this. I was not raised in Church, so I wasn’t taught a pre-conceived notion. I’ve never found good evidence of a pre-trib rapture. I have believed for years we will not miss at least part of the tribulation years.
Amen brother Creekmore! Friends, imagine for a moment that you’ve put on the full Armor of God, gathered your oil, been reading your Bible including:
“But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” – Matthew 24:13 NKJV
Whom exactly do you think wants the long prepared sons and daughters of the Living God of Abraham watching from the clouds, essentially sidelined for the greatest battle of all time?
“Let the reader understand.”
Just my humble opinion.
People think that 2 Peter 3:10 refers to the rapture but they fail to read verse 11 to 13. I used to go to a Church that preached the Rapture, it’s a shame since these people think there escaping the Trubulation and are not prepared for the End Time. I’m SDA and been prepping fir some time although money has been tight due bidenflacion. God Bless Brother
Matt. 24 came up in my daily Bible reading 3 years ago, and I realized that clearly, troubles would come BEFORE Christ’s return – in His own words, telling us that preparations both spiritual AND material were necessary.
I am preparing so 1) my loved ones can better endure the trials, and 2) so we might be able to offer a refuge to others.
I will not go gently into that good night!
There’s always lots of confusion regarding which passages are talking about being caught up (rapture) vs the second coming. One needs to clearly understand the context of each passage to know what is being talked about. Whenever there is contention, one must know the complete Bible to sort through various meaning. i.e. The Bible is the BEST commentary on the Bible. Since most don’t know the complete Bible, I suggest one reviews 10 Bible scholars that can clearly point out the original Greek and/or Hebrew to provide insight/discernment on the meaning/intent of a passage. Of course, this is done/validated in light of the whole council of God’s Word. Food for thought – Do we understand the difference between the rapture (being caught up with Christ – G726 harpazo) and the second coming? Do we know when the rapture will occur? Do we know when the second coming will occur? As the Bride of Christ, when does the Bridegroom come for His bride (i.e. church body/those born again). When is the marriage supper of the Lamb in Heaven? Who comes with Jesus at the second coming (Rev 19:14)? Hopefully, the answers to these questions and continued study of God’s Word, will help define the last days timeline. Don’t believe what you hear unless it is supported by sound Biblical study and validated by sound Biblical scholars.
U a right on the money son! I am sick of hearing that nonsense these judas goat preacher’s spew!
You are correct. If there was gonna be a rapture at a bad time. How about all the terrible wars that have happened since. No sirree even if it’s correct.things are going to have to get to a totally devastatingly war. Maybe where we blow ourselves up and the remaining g ppl decide to put down the weapons and wake up.
I grew up with pre trib rapture teaching my whole life. It took me almost 10 years of research and study to come out of it. They’ll scare you with bible verses that they have taken out of context. I researched John Darby and ci scofield. If you follow the money, Scofield(his bible) was published by Oxford press. Look into who owned oxford press. Also, scolfield was hobnobbing with some of the Rothschild puppets. He was in a literary group called the Lotus Club. Anyway, why should we get a pass as opposed to all of the Christians that were burned at the stake, fed to lions, etc.? I think we’re going to go through some hard times. We don’t deserve to get out of it. They didn’t. But they were faithful and endured to the end.
I think you are correct.
“The love of money is the root of all evil.”
Or of a latter origin:
“Follow the money!”
Amen!
The love of money is the root of MANY evils.
Everything has been rewritten to fit the narrative. How can you distinguish truth from a trap? Follow the ever changing story that is unfolding right before our very eyes. Trust is very hard to come by these days. We must all tread carefully as the times that we now live in are full of lies and traps.
Hard Times Create Strong Men, Strong Men Create Good Times, Good Times Create Weak Men, Weak Men Create Hard Times.
Its the circle of Society , we are in the Hard Times of Weak Men!
Look around yourselves and be honest and you can see it everywhere in society today . Know this It will get better !
I’d like to add that in the Greek the verse that speaks about Rapture is so vague in the Greek grammar, that you can argue both ways that there will be and that there will not be a rapture. However, I think what it actually means is that there will not be a On the count of Three, 1….2….3… ..Rapture! Everyone will be raptured at different times, depending on the Will of the Lord and His needs and desires. It might not be days apart, but we really do not know.
I can appreciate you wanting to alert Christians to be prepared for Christ’s return, but we won’t know the how of it until it comes to pass. Each person should read and study God’s word for themselves and pray for discernment. Just because I believe Pre-Trib does not automatically prove I will be unprepared to face what is coming.
While I believe Pre-Trib, I realize my understanding of Revelation could be flawed and have made preparations for that. My thought is, if my belief is correct and I do not use the preps, they will be a blessing for others. Either way, the preps will provide for someone. I do not find it a waste of time/money to prep.
Pre/Post trib is an issue subject to interpretation and I have heard numerous reasons for both. Either way, I do believe we will face hardships, but obviously post trib will be infinitely more devastating. I do not feel it is helpful to say one certain interpretation is the only way to believe in this situation.
I like all your thoughts on the rapture. It gets many people to think about it. It also gets many to respond, further getting into the subject. What you are doing is GREAT!!! YOU ARE A GREAT BLESSING .
Totally agree 💯 MD.
I have been trying to show people this for years!!! One of my friends is prepping, but she states she is doing it for those left behind (her kids, only one is a Christian). She is so determined she will not see any hard times, I pray her faith is strong enough when she realizes she isn’t going anywhere. We are taught to prove all things yet our lazy society does not do so.
Help us understand:
1. Since Christians are present with Christ at the second coming, when are they taken to Heaven?
2. How many people are killed during the great tribulation (2nd 3.5 years)?
3. How do the top Hebrew and Greek scholars interpret the original manuscripts regarding the end times? Do they agree with each other?
So, to upset some of fundamentalist friend now!
The Bible is a guide on how we become one with Jesus the Christ and receive eternal Grace in Heaven. The Bible is not some secret code of things to come, like many new age preachers claim as they pass that collection plate around to pay for their big house and new Mercedes.
Whether the rapture is real or a deception, I have always found it very prideful to assume you will be included. MD, you laid forth multiple ways that the belief of a rapture weakens the believer spiritually. I agree on all accounts, and I would add that someone who sits back assuming that they will be included in it, is someone who will experience pride before the fall; regardless of whether it happens or not.